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Moving PG&E powerlines underground: Is the utility still on track to meet its ambitious goal?

Moving PG&E powerlines underground: Is the utility still on track to meet its ambitious goal?
>> THERE IS THE NEW LITTLE ONE. >> TUCKED AWAY IN EL DORADO COUNTY YOU’LL FIND JOE DONALD AND HIS WIFE. >> BACK HERE WE GOT A BUNCH OF ROOSTERS AND WE HAVE BLACKBERRY VINES. WE’VE GOT TO CUT THESE OUT. >> GETTING READY FOR THE CROWDS. >> THERE’S SOME DAYS WE’LL COME OUT HERE AND THERE’LL BE 20 KIDS RUNNING AROUND HERE CHASING EACH -- >> BLACKBERRY SEASON IS FAST APPROACHING. >> AROUND THE MIDDLE OF JULY FOR US FOR THE END OF AUGUST. >> WHICH ALSO MEANS PEAK WILDFIRE SEASON. WHICH IS WHY PG&E IS WORKING DOWN THE ROAD FROM THEIR HOME. TO REDUCE THE CHANCE OF A WILDFIRE TEARING THROUGH THIS COMMUNITY. THIS CURRENT POWERLINE UNDERGROUNDING PROJECT STRETCHES FROM GREEN VALLEY AND LOTUS ROAD, TO GOLD HILL AND COAL SPRINGS ROAD. JOE WILSON OVERSEES THAT WORK. >> THEY’RE SETTING SOME VAULTS AND SOME LIDS. >> POWER LINES WILL BE NEXT. >> OUR ELECTRIC CREWS WILL COME BACK AND PULL CABLES THROUGH AFTER THE CIVIL WORK IS COMPLETED. >> THIS IS ONE OF ABOUT 150 POWER POLES THAT WILL BE MOVED FROM THIS AREA. TAKE LOOK UP HIGH. THOSE THREE LINES AT THE TOP OF THIS POLL ARE THE LINES PG&E IS TALKING ABOUT. MOVING FIVE MILES OF THESE UNDERGROUND. >> STARTED THIS JOB IN AUGUST, WE EXPECT TO FINISH IN MARCH. >> THE WORK IS PART OF PG&E’S WILDFIRE MITIGATION PLAN. MOVING 10,000 MILES OF ITS POWER LINES UNDERGROUND IN CALIFORNIA’S HIGHEST RISK FIRE AREAS, IN HOPES ITS EQUIPMENT DOESN’T START ANOTHER DEADLY WILDFIRE. >> WE’RE LOOKING AT WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO MOVING FORWARD TO CREATE THE SAFEST SYSTEM POSSIBLE. AND THAT’S BY UNDERGROUNDING THESE LINES. >> KCRA 3 INVESTIGATES HAS BEEN KEEPING A CLOSE EYE ON THE UTILITY’S UNDERGROUNDING INITIATIVE SINCE IT WAS ANNOUNCED TWO YEARS AGO. IN 2021, PG&E MET IT’S GOAL OF UNDERGROUNDING 70 MILES OF POWER LINES UNDERGROUND. LAST YEAR, IT SURPASSED ITS GOAL OF MOVING 175 MILES OF ITS POWER LINES UNDERGROUND. IN 2022, PG&E COMPLETED PROJECTS IN THE 20 COUNTIES YOU SEE ON THIS MAP. BUT THIS YEAR. >> WE’RE GOING TO PUT 350 MILES OF LINE UNDERGROUND. >> THAT’S 50 MILES SHORT OF THE ORIGINAL GOAL SET FOR 2023. HOW WAS THAT DECISION MADE? WHY WAS THE DECISION MADE? DID PG&E FEEL THAT IT COULDN’T MAKE THE 400 MILES? >> WE TALKED TO SOME OF OUR STAKEHOLDERS. AND WE BASICALLY LAID OUT OUR PLANS, AND WE GOT SOME FEEDBACK FROM THEM, THAT MAYBE WE WERE BEING OVERLY AGGRESSIVE. WILSON SAYS THE WORK THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH HAS LED TO LESS PUBLIC SAFETY POWER SHUTOFFS. >> THE BERRY CREEK AREA NEAR LAKE OROVILLE IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WORK THAT HAS HAPPENED AND THEY DIDN’T HAVE ANY PUBLIC SAFETY POWER SHUT OFFS LAST YEAR BECAUSE THE LINES WERE UNDERGROUND. >> ALTHOUGH SOME RESIDENTS WELCOME THE ADDED SAFETY MEASURES. >> I’M GLAD TO SEE THAT THE WORK IS BEING DONE AND, AND THE FIRE DANGER IS BEING CUT BACK. >> THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT LOCATION. >> A LOT OF THE FIRES ARE STARTED IN REMOTE AREAS. AND SO UNDERGROUNDING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE OK, BUT MAYBE THAT’S NOT THE 100% ANSWER FOR SURE. SO IT’S NOT THE CURE. >> WE USE A COMPANY CALLED TECHNOSYLVA WHICH USES THAT MACHINE LEARNING PROGRAM THAT HELPS US TO IDENTIFY THE AREAS WHERE WE WILL HAVE THE MOST RISK BENEFIT BY PUTTING THE LINES UNDERGROUND. >> AND ROUGH ROADS FROM THE VAULTS. >> I DO HOPE THAT THERE IS SOME WAY THAT THEY CAN PUT THESE VAULTS IN WHERE I’M SURE THEY HAVE TO BE ACCESSIBLE. BUT WE’RE NOT HITTING A POTHOLE EVERY TIME I HAVE TO GO OVER THEM. >> YOU WILL SEE BASICALLY JUST BOXES IN THE ROADWAY WITH LIDS THAT ARE TRAFFIC RATED. AND YOU’LL JUST BASICALLY SEE JUST A BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY ROAD. >> DONALD ALSO WANTS TO KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY IS COMING OUT OF HIS POCKET. >> I DON’T KNOW WHAT IT’S COSTING PG&E TO PUT UNDERGROUND UTILITIES OUT IN THIS AREA. >> ACCORDING TO PG&E, IT’S COSTING 3.75 MILLION TO UNDERGROUND EACH MILE OF ITS POWER LINES. IT EXPECTS THAT NUMBER TO DECREASE TO ABOUT 3.3 MILLION PER MILE IN 2023. BUT HOW THAT TRANSLATES TO YOUR BILL IS STILL NOT CLEAR. >> THERE’S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS TWO YEARS FROM NOW. >> IN GOLD HILL, EL DORADO COUNTY, BRITTANY JOHNSON, KCRA 3 NEWS. TY: A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE COST. LAST YEAR, PG&E TOLD US UNDERGROUNDING WOULD COST RATEPAYERS 15 CENTS MORE PER MONTH. NOW IT SAYS IT WAS A PROJECTION AT THE TIME. AND THAT COST WAS ONLY FOR HARDENING THE SYSTEM, NOT UNDERGROUNDING THE WIRES. IT WILL HAVE THE ACTUAL FINANCIAL IMPACT ON RATEPAYE
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Moving PG&E powerlines underground: Is the utility still on track to meet its ambitious goal?
Two years have passed since Pacific Gas & Electric Co. announced an ambitious plan to move thousands of miles of its powerlines underground to help reduce the risk of its equipment starting catastrophic wildfires. KCRA 3 has been checking in with the utility giant periodically to see if it has been meeting its goals. Joe Wilson is the PG&E Regional vice president. He oversees the work being done in the unincorporated community of Gold Hill in El Dorado County, where crews are working to put five miles of powerlines underground. Gold Hill is one of several undergrounding projects. Wilson said this current project began August 2022 and is expected to be done in March."The crew that is working on it right now is one of our general construction gas crews," Wilson said. "They have a lot of experience in putting pipes underground and setting boxes and vaults."When KCRA 3 spoke with Wilson, he said they were setting vaults and some lids. Afterward, electric crews will come back and pull cables through after the civil work is completed. Wilson expects that to happen in the next couple of weeks.The work is part of PG&E's Wildfire Mitigation Plan, where it aims to move 10,000 miles of its powerlines underground in California's highest-risk fire areas. In 2021, PG&E met its goal of undergrounding 70 miles of powerlines. It was able to underground 71 miles.In 2022 the utility giant surpassed its goal of moving 175 miles of its powerlines underground."We were able to accomplish 180 miles underground," Wilson told KCRA.According to Wilson, this year's PG&E goal is to underground 350 miles of its powerlines, which is 50 miles short of the original goal it set for 2023.When asked why the original quota was cut back, Wilson said they received feedback from some of their stakeholders, telling them they were being "overly aggressive." "So in the interest of our customers, we went ahead and took that back to 350 miles. It's still a tremendous amount of work," Wilson said. "And again, it is twice as much as what we did last year."PG&E plans to ramp up its undergrounding work by expanding its contractor workforce. A spokesperson for the company said in an email that it selected five contractors in spring 2021 for the undergrounding work."We are currently in a competitive process to augment our existing contractors to meet our 2023 mileage goal. We expect to add four to eight additional vendors when that process is complete in the second quarter of 2023," the email from the spokesperson read. Joe Donald and his wife live down the street from where crews were working.Although Donald welcomes the added safety measures and is "glad to see that the work is being done and the fire danger is being cut back," he has some questions and concerns.One of Donald's questions is about where PG&E is doing the work."From what I've seen, a lot of the fires are started in remote areas. And so, undergrounding in our neighborhoods is OK, but maybe that's not the 100% answer for sure." According to Wilson, deciding where undergrounding is prioritized is done through a machine learning program by Technosylva. He explained that is helps identify areas that "will have the most risk-benefit by putting the lines underground.""So, leveraging those partners, as well as working with some of our key stakeholders, whether it's cities or counties to identify areas where there have been frequent shut-offs due to Public Safety Power Shutoffs, or where there's hospitals, fire stations, critical infrastructure — those are all the things that go into our scoping decisions," Wilson said.He also wants to know how much money is coming out of his pocket to pay for the undergrounding project.According to PG&E, it is costing the utility $3.75 million to underground each mile of its powerlines, and it expects that number to decrease to about $3.3 million per mile this year.How that translates to your bill is still not clear, but the utility has previously stated that the price will start to go down as more lines are moved underground.Donald is unsure of the price drop."You don't know what material costs are going to be tomorrow as far as wire and stuff. We always see labor going up and stuff like that. I do think if you get into a process where you start doing a process, you get better at it. And, so, that might be beneficial. But, I don't see it as a cost-benefit more maybe as a time benefit that might save them a little bit of money. There's a lot of unknowns two years from now."As for how much the undergrounding project is going to impact ratepayers, PG&E will have "the actual number for the bill impact probably this fall"."Current work to underground portions of the system will be funded through the 2023-2026 General Rate Case (GRC) proceeding," a spokesperson told KCRA, via email. "The customer bill impact will be dependent on the CPUC's final decision for the GRC, expected in fall 2023. Approximately 2,100 miles of our 10,000-mile Undergrounding Program are included in our 2023 GRC proposal, which proposes a series of crucial safety, resiliency, and clean-energy investments to continue to further reduce wildfire risk and deliver safe, reliable and clean-energy service."

Two years have passed since Pacific Gas & Electric Co. announced an ambitious plan to move thousands of miles of its powerlines underground to help reduce the risk of its equipment starting catastrophic wildfires.

KCRA 3 has been checking in with the utility giant periodically to see if it has been meeting its goals.

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Joe Wilson is the PG&E Regional vice president. He oversees the work being done in the unincorporated community of Gold Hill in El Dorado County, where crews are working to put five miles of powerlines underground. Gold Hill is one of several undergrounding projects.

Wilson said this current project began August 2022 and is expected to be done in March.

"The crew that is working on it right now is one of our general construction gas crews," Wilson said. "They have a lot of experience in putting pipes underground and setting boxes and vaults."

When KCRA 3 spoke with Wilson, he said they were setting vaults and some lids. Afterward, electric crews will come back and pull cables through after the civil work is completed. Wilson expects that to happen in the next couple of weeks.

The work is part of PG&E's Wildfire Mitigation Plan, where it aims to move 10,000 miles of its powerlines underground in California's highest-risk fire areas.

In 2021, PG&E met its goal of undergrounding 70 miles of powerlines. It was able to underground 71 miles.

In 2022 the utility giant surpassed its goal of moving 175 miles of its powerlines underground.

"We were able to accomplish 180 miles underground," Wilson told KCRA.

According to Wilson, this year's PG&E goal is to underground 350 miles of its powerlines, which is 50 miles short of the original goal it set for 2023.

When asked why the original quota was cut back, Wilson said they received feedback from some of their stakeholders, telling them they were being "overly aggressive."

"So in the interest of our customers, we went ahead and took that back to 350 miles. It's still a tremendous amount of work," Wilson said. "And again, it is twice as much as what we did last year."

PG&E plans to ramp up its undergrounding work by expanding its contractor workforce. A spokesperson for the company said in an email that it selected five contractors in spring 2021 for the undergrounding work.

"We are currently in a competitive process to augment our existing contractors to meet our 2023 mileage goal. We expect to add four to eight additional vendors when that process is complete in the second quarter of 2023," the email from the spokesperson read.

Joe Donald and his wife live down the street from where crews were working.

Although Donald welcomes the added safety measures and is "glad to see that the work is being done and the fire danger is being cut back," he has some questions and concerns.

One of Donald's questions is about where PG&E is doing the work.

"From what I've seen, a lot of the fires are started in remote areas. And so, undergrounding in our neighborhoods is OK, but maybe that's not the 100% answer for sure."

According to Wilson, deciding where undergrounding is prioritized is done through a machine learning program by Technosylva. He explained that is helps identify areas that "will have the most risk-benefit by putting the lines underground."

"So, leveraging those partners, as well as working with some of our key stakeholders, whether it's cities or counties to identify areas where there have been frequent shut-offs due to Public Safety Power Shutoffs, or where there's hospitals, fire stations, critical infrastructure — those are all the things that go into our scoping decisions," Wilson said.

He also wants to know how much money is coming out of his pocket to pay for the undergrounding project.

According to PG&E, it is costing the utility $3.75 million to underground each mile of its powerlines, and it expects that number to decrease to about $3.3 million per mile this year.

How that translates to your bill is still not clear, but the utility has previously stated that the price will start to go down as more lines are moved underground.

Donald is unsure of the price drop.

"You don't know what material costs are going to be tomorrow as far as wire and stuff. We always see labor going up and stuff like that. I do think if you get into a process where you start doing a process, you get better at it. And, so, that might be beneficial. But, I don't see it as a cost-benefit more maybe as a time benefit that might save them a little bit of money. There's a lot of unknowns two years from now."

As for how much the undergrounding project is going to impact ratepayers, PG&E will have "the actual number for the bill impact probably this fall".

"Current work to underground portions of the system will be funded through the 2023-2026 General Rate Case (GRC) proceeding," a spokesperson told KCRA, via email. "The customer bill impact will be dependent on the CPUC's final decision for the GRC, expected in fall 2023. Approximately 2,100 miles of our 10,000-mile Undergrounding Program are included in our 2023 GRC proposal, which proposes a series of crucial safety, resiliency, and clean-energy investments to continue to further reduce wildfire risk and deliver safe, reliable and clean-energy service."